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Turning on Air Con blows fan relay fuse and turns off ventilation controls - Help!
I've recently had a problem with the ventilation and Air Conditioning (AC) controls failing, with none of the lights below any of the button selected lighting up. I replaced the 7.5A fan relay fuse in the bottom right of the fuse box below the dashboard, and all was well once more, but it failed again due to the fuse blowing after about 2-3 minutes of driving with the AC on. I tried another fuse, and as soon as I turned on AC, the new fuse blew. I think I could hear a click sound when it failed, presumably from a relay.
When it has failed, the fan still blows air, and I can adjust its speed and temperature with the two dials. AC wont work though, and the buttons will not adjust where the air will be blown. It stays permanently on the air direction that it was set on when it last failed. Losing AC is a serious problem for clearing the windscreen in winter, so am keen to get it fixed soon. But I fear that with quite a complex system, it could be time consuming for a garage to diagnose, so am hoping some of you can help.
Though it's probably unrelated, I do have a problem either with the wiring or more likely the ECU, which was repaired 3-4 years ago following burst capacitors, as I've recently been getting error codes for the TDC and no.1 cylinder sensors, yet have had both replaced recently to clear the problem, and I still get engine warning lights. Can't remember which was the latest error between the two. The car occasionally stalls on me, and occasionally stutters or just loses its spark and drops the revs down to zero. But it's not that bad, and runs fine most of the time, albeit with the engine warning light often coming on. Will probably just get a new ECU soon, but with a little beginning of rust underneath too, I fear this additional ventilation issue is making me consider my beloved's future a bit. If I can solve that, I can deal with the others I suspect. Though one thing I fear is buying a new ECU and finding that it was the wiring at fault, which would leave me with a brand new ECU needing selling, and no hope of fixing the wiring. But I'd hope I could find a buyer of the new ECU for a decent price if it came to that, particularly as I understand that the latest replacement ECUs are built with a lot more durability than the original.
Anyway, back to the ventilation issue. Firstly, it would be handy if anyone can advise whether there's any way the ECU is causing the ventilation issue, as its circuitry does interact with the AC. If I can solve both the AC *and* engine problems with a new ECU, then that would be great.
I've attached the translated wiring diagrams, with the most applicable being on page 6. I've also attached the heating system workshop manual which has a wiring diagram on page 15-6 which also shows the switches for the controls. I'm a bit confused, as the two diagrams don't really appear to be consistent, but maybe they show the same thing but from different perspectives. You can see the 7.5A fan relay fuse on both, and the AC system, but I can't quite figure it out.
Note that I wonder whether the AC system needs its gas or fluid replaced or topped up, as apart from a new belt, it hasn't had any maintenance for a decade or maybe two. Could this be the cause?
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Turning on Air Con blows fan relay fuse and turns off ventilation controls - Solved
Thanks for your help Steve, as always. Everything on my car is now sorted, pretty much.
I checked the resistance of the compressor coil, and suspected that it had shorted, so got it replaced, and the garage said that I had next to no gas left in the system, so I went to an extremely knowledgeable GoCool air con technician to get it refilled with a substitute for R12 gas called RS24 (which apparently doesn't necessitate modified parts being fitted for a full conversion to standard R134a gas). He checked for leaks and didn't find any, and was highly impressed that the air con still worked after 22 years (with virtually no maintenance to it for the last 9). However, we did find that another fuse had blown, for the condenser fan (it's one fuse down from the top right of the fuse box).
It's tricky to differentiate between cause and effect, and it might have been a lack of gas, but it's possible that the condenser fan fuse blowing caused the compressor coil to overheat, so I will keep an ear out to make sure the condenser fan periodically kicks in when AC is blowing - you can hear it run sometimes to the offside of the spare tyre at the front. I suggest other owners watch out for this too.
I also got the ECU replaced, and now no longer get an engine warning light, and the car now runs sweetly. However, on the way to pick up the ECU, sods law intervened and lit up the overheating exhaust sensor warning light, with the car running particularly badly. But with ECU in place, it runs great, albeit with this new exhaust warning light. But messages on this forum suggest that this light is nothing to worry about. I had I think the middle and final parts of the exhaust changed 2 years ago, so it should be OK. Mine is an older model which never had a catalytic converter fitted.
I wonder what to do with the old ECU - maybe I'll mount it on the wall... I've attached a photo comparing the old and new ones - there is quite a drastic difference in how much lighter both the case and the PCB is in colour, though I may prefer the green and gold tone of the old case. The car often ran fine with the old ECU in, once I figured out how to reset the ECU occasionally, but it did randomly suffer bad hair days. So if anyone wants to buy it at a heavy discount, please message me.
Thanks again,
Bruce
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