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    Thought it was about time...

    ...I registered on here.

    As I'm now on my 2nd Beat - had to sell the first one to help finance my AZ-1 and I've missed it ever since.

    Picked up a silver one saturday, few litttle niggles but nothing major and won't take long to get sorted.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by fxdlidon View Post
    ...I registered on here.

    As I'm now on my 2nd Beat - had to sell the first one to help finance my AZ-1 and I've missed it ever since.

    Picked up a silver one saturday, few litttle niggles but nothing major and won't take long to get sorted.

    Don
    I for one would love to hear your impressions of the Beat vs the AZ-1.


    Past Hondas:
    1960 125cc Honda Benly CB92R
    1964 305cc Super Hawk CB77, the only vehicle I have ever bought new in my life!
    Honda CB160, roadraced as 175cc 1967-1970.
    Honda Lawnmower, bought used in 2003, caught fire and melted in 2005.

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    hi don!! nice to see you on here!

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    ^ Hi mike

    Quote Originally Posted by steveinjapan View Post
    I for one would love to hear your impressions of the Beat vs the AZ-1.
    I also owned a cappo for a year and a half so you'll need that in there too. Your not the first person to ask for this and I'll try and do my own thoughts on A vs B vs C when I get a spare hour or so.

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    Welcome

    <<<<<<<VERSION Z>>>>>>
    >>>gone, but not forgotten<<<

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    hi Don, doesn't look too bad although i'm in 2 minds on the wheels?
    Pajero gone or going?
    AZ engine sorted yet?
    so many Q's !!!!!

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    I'm not sure about the wheels either - I think they might look better after a clean, all the detail is obscured by grime, but we'll see...
    Pajero is staying (it's a pajero mini, a kei, for everyone I haven't met) I need something to bring home the weekly shop in and neither the Beat or the AZ-1 are any good for that. Anyway I'm going to see if I can coax enough power out of the engine so's I can use it to trailor the AZ-1 for trackdays. One of my big worries on trackdays is "what will I do if I total the car, how will I get home?" so it would be nice to get that out of the way
    AZ-1 is still with Tom having major heart surgary. Not helped by a 1 month delay over the winter because I'd bought the wrong clutch - it uses an alto works one not a cappo one as I'd thought - oops! Should get it back soon though

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    Well I've had it for over a week now and I'd forgotten what fabulous cars these are. The handling puts the cappo and the AZ-1 to shame (I think it's cost me about £2000 to get the AZ-1 working this well) and the gear box, for a cable linkage, is an absolute dream

    But why-oh-why did Honda have to stick to the rules??? Both Suzuki and Mazda built their cars measuring the 64bhp limit at the wheels (ok, so they cheated ) and the Beat just seems so underpowered in comparison. Has anyone ever fitted a turbo? it just seems the logical way to go to me.

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    restricted by gearing though?
    even with 64bhp or less, mine still hits limiter at 140kph @ 8500rpm so more power will hit it quicker?

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    Limiter is a doddle to bypass, even on the standard ecu. Mines gone away just for fitting a speedo converter. On my last Beat (UK spec) I fitted a converter on the vss feed to the ecu which killed it - well unless your planning on doing more than 140mph

    But the plan wasn't to use the stock ecu anyway - I was thinking about using an Adaptronic (http://adaptronic.com.au/products/e420c.html) the same as I'm using on the AZ-1. I'd certainly need something to be able to map the different fueling requirements.

    It's just I've got a spare HT07 turbo sat here...

    (You know a lot more about Beats than I do, we can talk about it saturday)

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    Quote Originally Posted by fxdlidon View Post

    (You know a lot more about Beats than I do, we can talk about it saturday)
    doubt it!

    regardless of limiter or not, i was thinking more along the lines that regardless of power, the only way to increase speed is to increase RPM or change final drive ratio's
    or am i getting confused?

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    Quote Originally Posted by old'uns View Post
    restricted by gearing though?
    even with 64bhp or less, mine still hits limiter at 140kph @ 8500rpm so more power will hit it quicker?
    I thought it hit 140km at about 7500rpm...? At 8500rpm (redline) I'm not sure I'd want to go much higher in the interest of engine longevity.

    I've only had mine up to 135km/h or so, and I recall it being a around 7500rpm, but I honestly don't remember. I'll have to try this in the summer and see.

    I have the stock ECU, and I've seen 9000rpm before (by accident, 1st gear around a corner and I could not see the the tach as the wheel was in the way) but doing 9000+ rpm on a high speed run...I would not do it with my Beat

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    I asked my mechanic about the turbo option during the rebuild
    He said that it's not recommended to do because the compression ratio is so high now.
    Not impossible to do, but at over 10:1 it's going to be difficult to tune

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclejemima View Post
    I thought it hit 140km at about 7500rpm...? At 8500rpm (redline) I'm not sure I'd want to go much higher in the interest of engine longevity.

    I've only had mine up to 135km/h or so, and I recall it being a around 7500rpm, but I honestly don't remember. I'll have to try this in the summer and see.

    I have the stock ECU, and I've seen 9000rpm before (by accident, 1st gear around a corner and I could not see the the tach as the wheel was in the way) but doing 9000+ rpm on a high speed run...I would not do it with my Beat
    i'm sure the stock ECU is 1st-4th 9k, 5th 8.5k? as i found out first time on M/Way, 86mph...drrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
    ECU i have in now has the A-chip in so no limiter in any gear, doesn't stop me revving it though!

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    glad you're enjoying it don! wish we could come down tomorrow with you guys
    you can buy kits that use jazz/fit gears to give a sensible motorway gear but the price is ££££££££££
    i wish there was a way to squeeze a bit more out of the engine but keep it 660cc. ive seen a few of the japanese guys running the greddy e-manage system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TADO View Post
    you can buy kits that use jazz/fit gears to give a sensible motorway gear but the price is ££££££££££
    Wow, this sounds neat. Do you mean the jazz/fit gears will work in the Beat transmission to give it a lower ratio or are you talking the axle ratio?

    I've just never heard of this before, interesting...

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    The stock Beat has perfect gearing - for Japan. Motorway speeds are limited to 90 to 110 kph although enforcement is rather minimal. I like the rev limiter because sometimes it gets too busy to watch the tach. Only hit it once and it was like a drag chute popping, in second gear.


    Past Hondas:
    1960 125cc Honda Benly CB92R
    1964 305cc Super Hawk CB77, the only vehicle I have ever bought new in my life!
    Honda CB160, roadraced as 175cc 1967-1970.
    Honda Lawnmower, bought used in 2003, caught fire and melted in 2005.

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    ahh, sorry, i think its a today gear they swap in, here you go:

    http://minkara.carview.co.jp/userid/...216/parts.aspx
    http://minkara.carview.co.jp/userid/...893/parts.aspx
    and:
    http://minkara.carview.co.jp/userid/...955/parts.aspx

    more info:
    http://www.surgeon.co.jp/orijinaru_pa-tu_c.html

    it would be nice to be able to cruise a little more gently - our autozam carol is so much nicer on the motorway than the beat!

    RSMach also do a full gearset:
    http://translate.google.com/translat...Frsmach.com%2F
    Last edited by TADO; 01-04-2011 at 10:17 AM.

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    Duh. Bigger tires will better your speed./and freeway ride

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    ...and slow down acceleration

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