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    Turning on Air Con blows fan relay fuse and turns off ventilation controls - Help!

    I've recently had a problem with the ventilation and Air Conditioning (AC) controls failing, with none of the lights below any of the button selected lighting up. I replaced the 7.5A fan relay fuse in the bottom right of the fuse box below the dashboard, and all was well once more, but it failed again due to the fuse blowing after about 2-3 minutes of driving with the AC on. I tried another fuse, and as soon as I turned on AC, the new fuse blew. I think I could hear a click sound when it failed, presumably from a relay.

    When it has failed, the fan still blows air, and I can adjust its speed and temperature with the two dials. AC wont work though, and the buttons will not adjust where the air will be blown. It stays permanently on the air direction that it was set on when it last failed. Losing AC is a serious problem for clearing the windscreen in winter, so am keen to get it fixed soon. But I fear that with quite a complex system, it could be time consuming for a garage to diagnose, so am hoping some of you can help.

    Though it's probably unrelated, I do have a problem either with the wiring or more likely the ECU, which was repaired 3-4 years ago following burst capacitors, as I've recently been getting error codes for the TDC and no.1 cylinder sensors, yet have had both replaced recently to clear the problem, and I still get engine warning lights. Can't remember which was the latest error between the two. The car occasionally stalls on me, and occasionally stutters or just loses its spark and drops the revs down to zero. But it's not that bad, and runs fine most of the time, albeit with the engine warning light often coming on. Will probably just get a new ECU soon, but with a little beginning of rust underneath too, I fear this additional ventilation issue is making me consider my beloved's future a bit. If I can solve that, I can deal with the others I suspect. Though one thing I fear is buying a new ECU and finding that it was the wiring at fault, which would leave me with a brand new ECU needing selling, and no hope of fixing the wiring. But I'd hope I could find a buyer of the new ECU for a decent price if it came to that, particularly as I understand that the latest replacement ECUs are built with a lot more durability than the original.

    Anyway, back to the ventilation issue. Firstly, it would be handy if anyone can advise whether there's any way the ECU is causing the ventilation issue, as its circuitry does interact with the AC. If I can solve both the AC *and* engine problems with a new ECU, then that would be great.

    I've attached the translated wiring diagrams, with the most applicable being on page 6. I've also attached the heating system workshop manual which has a wiring diagram on page 15-6 which also shows the switches for the controls. I'm a bit confused, as the two diagrams don't really appear to be consistent, but maybe they show the same thing but from different perspectives. You can see the 7.5A fan relay fuse on both, and the AC system, but I can't quite figure it out.

    Note that I wonder whether the AC system needs its gas or fluid replaced or topped up, as apart from a new belt, it hasn't had any maintenance for a decade or maybe two. Could this be the cause?

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    Your most likely cause is a shorted A/C compressor coil.

    Sheet one of the wiring diagram shows that 7.5A FAN RELAY fuse, its a direct feed for the compressor coil.

    Theres a single wire connector on the compressor if you disconnect than and see if you can turn the system on and off with out blowing that fuse. (obviously the A/C wont be cold with it disconnected)

    Its a fairly easy repair thou it does mean removing the AC compressor and stripping the outer clutch plates.
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    Item 16 is most likely the culprit (apart from a trapped wire or something like that)

    38924-PJ7-S01 @ £101.64
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    Thanks Steve, when it comes to Beats, you're like Obi Wan Kenobi and Gandalf rolled into one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    Thanks Steve, when it comes to Beats, you're like Obi Wan Kenobi and Gandalf rolled into one.
    Funny but true .

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ID:	2321After installation of the Hayabusa, I had no AC. This was due to the sys was wired to the ECU, likely to allow a rpm rise when in use, or .. Anyway, if you want to temporarily remove the ECU from the sys, a short jumper wire is inserted between 2 wires (one is pink) leading into one of the three relays located on top of the RH wheelwell. I can take a pic and upload later today. The AC sys will work fine except at idle with the sys on, the rpm is slightly lower due to load of compressor.

    Note the pink wire (to ECU) to jumped to the Blue/red wire. The AC sys will fully function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve_M View Post
    Item 16 is most likely the culprit (apart from a trapped wire or something like that)

    38924-PJ7-S01 @ £101.64
    Hoping this part is still available - any chance you can check stock in Japan?

    Thanks,

    Steve in Okinawa


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    1964 305cc Super Hawk CB77, the only vehicle I have ever bought new in my life!
    Honda CB160, roadraced as 175cc 1967-1970.
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    Given that you're in Okinawa, can't you just pop by the dealership and ask?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Aaron GE View Post
    Given that you're in Okinawa, can't you just pop by the dealership and ask?
    Steve is more efficient than the people at the d'ship. Saving myself 45 minutes in a hot car too.


    DOES ANYONE HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH REBUILT COMPRESSORS??
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    Past Hondas:
    1960 125cc Honda Benly CB92R
    1964 305cc Super Hawk CB77, the only vehicle I have ever bought new in my life!
    Honda CB160, roadraced as 175cc 1967-1970.
    Honda Lawnmower, bought used in 2003, caught fire and melted in 2005.

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