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    A/C Gas ?? Quantity ?

    Hi

    I am new to this forum and new to beat ownership...

    I have a beat that has been off the road for about 7 years,

    The AC doesnt work....

    on the off chance it just needs a re-gas... anyone know how much gas it takes ?

    thanks

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    a/c gas

    Quote Originally Posted by Strangerover View Post
    Hi

    I am new to this forum and new to beat ownership...

    I have a beat that has been off the road for about 7 years,

    The AC doesnt work....

    on the off chance it just needs a re-gas... anyone know how much gas it takes ?

    thanks
    hi looks like you bought the red one that was just on ebay

    regarding the a/c gas as yours is about a 1991 it will have the old type gas and connectors

    my a/c guy bought a bottle of it in but it is much more expensive than the r134 that most cars now use

    what we do if unsure on the cars is use a cheaper gas like they use in pubs to test the system and see if compressor cuts in any leaks etc

    then it is vacuumed out and the right gas is used

    its a r12 replacement but cant remember the name /code

    although its a small car as the a/c pipes run front to back it will be similar amount to a clio

    if anyone with an earlier type gas system needs it done he charges about 100/120 depends on amount of gas used
    but you have to come to london

    most of the 1993 onwards beats can use r134a gas for about 50 but you can get that done anywhere
    sometimes kwik fit do offers for about 40 online however i wouldnt let them near any of my cars

    good luck with that beat

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    My local guy did mine and came round to do it, and charged 40. He did my wife's Renault at the same time. He used a different gas in mine and some special oil. Unfortunately although the system held the charge, there were issues with the compressor relay, and a block in either the expansion valve or dryer unit. Expect that after a number of years without being run that there may be blockages in the system.

    Stu
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    Quote Originally Posted by stu g View Post
    My local guy did mine and came round to do it, and charged 40. He did my wife's Renault at the same time. He used a different gas in mine and some special oil. Unfortunately although the system held the charge, there were issues with the compressor relay, and a block in either the expansion valve or dryer unit. Expect that after a number of years without being run that there may be blockages in the system.

    Stu
    If it had no gas that means it leaked out in the past, so unless a sniffer showed absolutely nothing you might still be in for more headaches once you fix the other problems. If it was just a barely detectable leak you can get by with yearly topups but it's just postponing the inevitable. Been there, done that.

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    Going back to the original op, i don't know how much gas he used, but he did weigh it going in.
    ! Stuei

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    Out of interest, I guess that with no or low pressure , pressing the AC button does nothing ??

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    other than put the light on and possibly a slight increase in revs no
    the drop in gas that replaces r12 is known as rs24
    on a related note after having one of the beats gassed up this year there is a definite loss of power when the compressor cuts in so might not be worth the hassle

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikei View Post
    other than put the light on and possibly a slight increase in revs no
    the drop in gas that replaces r12 is known as rs24
    on a related note after having one of the beats gassed up this year there is a definite loss of power when the compressor cuts in so might not be worth the hassle
    True, if you live in a cool climate like the UK you might not want to go to the expense of fixing it.

    Like all automotive a/c on small cars, you can feel the power loss especially at low revs. Where the Beat engine might only be making 20 hp at 3000 rpm, the a/c is taking off perhaps 5 hp regardless of revs.

    Over here where it is hot and humid 5 months of the year, it's definitely worthwhile.

    Steve
    Last edited by steveinjapan; 02-10-2016 at 04:07 AM.


    Past Hondas:
    1960 125cc Honda Benly CB92R
    1964 305cc Super Hawk CB77, the only vehicle I have ever bought new in my life!
    Honda CB160, roadraced as 175cc 1967-1970.
    Honda Lawnmower, bought used in 2003, caught fire and melted in 2005.

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    I want it to aid with demisting, rather than for heat and humidity :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strangerover View Post
    I want it to aid with demisting, rather than for heat and humidity :-)
    Right - forgot about that....


    Past Hondas:
    1960 125cc Honda Benly CB92R
    1964 305cc Super Hawk CB77, the only vehicle I have ever bought new in my life!
    Honda CB160, roadraced as 175cc 1967-1970.
    Honda Lawnmower, bought used in 2003, caught fire and melted in 2005.

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    One alternative to that, which should also help limit rust, is to leave one or two dessicant dehumidifying bags in the cockpit. They will need occasional recharging
    in the oven or microwave to dry them out. Microwave is miles faster and efficient, but may or may not limit the dessicant's total lifetime. They're no more than 10.

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